Sunday, July 26, 2009

Banshee Spitfire

The Banshee Spitfire is a new frame that we are adding to our lineup next year. It will be a 5" travel aggressive trail / enduro ripping machine with adjustable geometry and a specifically tuned VF4B linkage.


The 2 shock mount positions will both give you 5" (130mm) of efficient but active travel, that will vary the geometry and feel of the of the bike significantly. See below for tentative geometry, (things may well change after some proper real world testing).


The Spitfire allows the rider to easily change the bike for a geometry setting to suit what ever trail you are riding on any given day. The first setting will feel at home on technical XC with a higher BB to give you more clearance and steeper head angle for those steep climbs and slow speed tech sections. The slack setting will drop the BB and slacken out the angles to better suit high speed flowy trails, as well as trails with technical steeps, where a slacker headangle offers you more control and confidence.


The Spitfire frame is lightweight but laterally stiff and stronger than most the competition (as per usual for Banshee!). This has been achieved by using custom hydroformed 7005 T6 tubing and internally ribbed seat and chain stays. By using IGUS bushings with direct grease injection ports, the pivots are stiff, light and easy to service. My large prototype frame weighed in at 5.62lbs (6.51lbs with shock mounted, and seatpost clamp). The relatively strong build I put together for testing (I like to push the limits of frames during testing), as seen here weighed in at about 28.1lbs.


Designed to be an XC / trail bike for downhillers, freeriders who want to get back to their roots on the trails and XC guys who want to step up to more challanging terrain (with great stand over, option of slacker angles, uninterupted seat tube, down pull front derailleur compatible and ISCG 05), the spitfire offers the usual banshee high performance, as well as being a very versatile frame.

Some more pics of my test build. I went for Gamut P30 single chainring option as it suits the local riding I have planned. Jay will be testing his with a front derailleur and tripple chainring, so we will have all bases covered. I'd like to thank Freeborn, Raceface, Gamut and Superstar components for supplying parts.







UPDATE:
I added the name and icon at the top
Ryan Daugherty did the graphics of the Spitfire. The icon is an impression of the back of a jet engine straight on. I think he did an awesome job

38 comments:

Ryan said...

Looks perfect. I think this will fit in perfectly with the wildcard

PH said...

Hello guys!
I recently got a Banshee Rune and I'm loving it. I'd like to post a few words of my impression so far. How can I do it. I also would like to post a pic of my new hide. Please, advise.

PH - new Banshee fan from Brazil

Keith Scott said...

Hey Man,
just send me what you want posted up and some pics and I'll do it for you. keith@bansheebikes.com

Thanks, I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the rune.

Keith

Kurt said...

This bike looks FUN! How does it compare to the Pyre? Is this more of an AM/Trail bike and Pyre is more pure XC?

Fakawi said...

does it come in raw?

Aaron said...

That bike is hawt on the geo is spot on. I just awarded it Aaron's trail bike of the year.

Sneeck said...

That will most likely replace my old giant nrs4 sometime soon. Sweet, my 3rd Banshee!

So Keith if the name Spitfire wasn't entirely linked to the fighter plane, why did you make an icon of it and not some part of the car? Just curious, I really like the Spitfire as a fighter plane so suprised and it does look really cool.

Keith Scott said...

Haha, the name half came from the WWII plane, and half from a triumph spitfire car. It just a good name that seemed to sum up what this bike was all about.

Besides, I can't take any credit for the graphics, that was all Ryan and Jay.

Sneeck said...

So does that mean it'll stay named Spitfire and not Shovelhead like mentioned on the mtbr.com forums? I like Spitfire so much more!

Keith Scott said...

Oh, shovelhead is another bike completely... a work in progress for a different market (29er)

MartinS said...

I thought Shovelhead was the 29er fully.

Sneeck said...

Aah very nice! 29'er fully, then you pretty much got all bases coverd. Cept mayb a trial frame?

Sick Lines said...

All I want to know is where is mine?

Anonymous said...

mmmm.... about this logo...
it looks great, realy, but the Spitfire was not a jet plane ...

maybe the bike is ?

Keith Scott said...

Haha, yeah I know, the thought crossed my mind too. But don't read too much into the name linking with the WWII plane. (which contrary to common believe was not actually the plane that won the war for the allies). Spitfire is just a name, and what do jet engines do? yup... they spit fire!

Oh and initial impression of the bike is.. wow, this thing likes to go fast!

Nicholas said...

You guys chose excellent geometry. IMO, the bike world has needed a bike like this; something that can be pedaled up to the pass and railed down the backside. The Nomad and Remedy are the current title holders, but I like the numbers of this bike much more.

Do you guys have a price nailed down on the production frames yet?

Anonymous said...

Keet,

How's things chaps? Good I hope...

Spitfire looks a bob on Mega bike geom wise - 66.6 running with a 150 Rev on the front...at the moment, the only other real option with those angles is the Marque I think, trail bike wise.....pretty hard to find that UK tech peaks/Spanish Alps/Alpine trail bike which is stable and not an over-giver 6"er or a pain in the ass to ride everyday!!

Question, does the VF4B rely on the progressivity and rising rate of a LV air can or could it run with a small coil without sitting too far into the sag/blowing into the travel?

Maybe catch you in Whistler September chap!

Lanzi

Keith Scott said...

Nicholas,

I'm glad you like the geometry numbers, they make sense for me, and I know a lot of people who have been waiting for something like this to come along... that is what I designed it! haha

Price is not set yet, but it likely to be similar to the rune.

Cheers Scott!

Yup, this is the trail bike that I have been waiting for. In general for all day ride bikes, everything I have ridden is too steep and XCish for my liking and the type of trails I like to ride. Or... as you say you have to go up in travel to hit the geometry you want, and that adds weight and generally reduces efficiency.

This bike is definately designed around a mid volume air shock, small volume would work well if you are wanting it more as an XC machine, but if you want to take it through rougher stuff then I would recommend something like what I have on (large volume RP23). A coil shock wouldn't suit this frame as I designed it around the progressive curves of air shocks.

Cody said...

So what are your goals for production dates? Is this a next spring model or could we hope to see them shipping before then?

Norbert said...

What is that seat? Forgot to ask and it looks very nice

Keith Scott said...

WTB Devo

Keith Scott said...

It will be released when we are 100% happy with it. We don't do the new models every year thing, we just make running changes really. I'll get it out there as soon as I can, it is very very close to what I want it to be, just needs a few minor tweaks here and there.

umar said...

IT WOULD BE VERY PRACTICAL IF IT CAN BE DESIGNED IN SUCH AS WAY THAT THE REAR SHOCK IS UNDER/CONNECTED TO THE TOP TUBE, TO ALLOW ROOM FOR BOTTLE CAGE.

IT'S FOR XC, SO THAT IS WHAT WE REQUIRE.

Anonymous said...

with the 650b coming up it might be kind of cool if the Spitfire could be 650b friendly.

Anonymous said...

keith scott the 2nd, u met the 1st one at glentress (-:

spitfire frames scotland? and at what price?

looked a cracker of a bike

Keith Scott said...

I should maybe explain to people that today I was riding with a mate, and was chatting away to one of the guys out on the trail... he said he was condisering option of a new bike (full sus trail bike) and I gave him a shot on the spitfire proto as he said he had never ridden a full susser... then he said... wow, it has my name on it 'Keith Scott', he prove it by showing me his bank card, I couldn't believe it! what a crazy coincidence!

ok down to the point....

Spitfire will be avaliable next early next year from www.freeborn.co.uk in UK. Price is yet to be set, but probably similar to the rune.

Nice to meet you Keith!

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Anonymous said...

I still don't see it on http://www.bansheebikes.com/bikes.html

When will it be ready?

Keith Scott said...

We have a new website in the pipeline that should be up soon.

The spitfire is currently near the end of production and will be getting shipped shortly.

Anonymous said...

Love the look of the Spitfire! I reckon it could be the perfect update for my 07 Pyre.

My ony concern is that it may be too similar to my current ride. While I love the Pyre, the main pivot needle bearings are a pain and need waaaaay more regular maintenance than any of my mates duallies. Is the Spitfire kind of a step back to the MK 1 Pyre (my bike)? Or is quite different? I like the idea of the "two geometries".

Interested to know how it differs from the MK1 Pyre.

Cheers, Nathan (Melbourne, Australia).

Keith Scott said...

Nathan,

The Spitfire is totally different to the MkI Pyre, both in terms of geometry, and pivots. You don't have to worry about needle bearings in the spitfire. These run on polymer bushings (Same as rune and rampant).

The geometry is much lower and slacked than the pyre MkI too.

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Anonymous said...

I have just become a proud & happy owner of spitfire. Wanted to know why the shock is put in revise(factory fit) compare to all the pictures on the banshee website.

Keith Scott said...

Hmmm, no reason for that, sorry!

You can just switch it round

Anonymous said...

Hey Keith. What kind of rear hub is that on the proto? It looks like a bolt up axle, which is what I want to put on mine, for an even stiffer rear end. I usually ride a dh bike with a bolt through and find QR super twisty and flexy.

Keith Scott said...

They are hope pro II hubs with the bolt up option for the rear (only weighs 10g more than QR option and is a LOT stiffer and stronger). I can highly recommend this setup.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the info. I was wondering if they were the Pro II bolt ons. Yes, one of these will be built into the back as I would rather the stiffness and performance than save the 10g. By the way, the rear end is quite solid and stiff as is (much more than my old Reign, that was so flexy), and the bike is absolutely amazing! There is a little bit of a trail shredder following developing here in Squamish. I am so stoked on this bike and cannot stop riding it! Thanks Keith.