Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Look what Santa Shimano sent me!

Cool... just got this in for my Legend.
Of course we love our friends at Sram but you have to try out some other stuff because not everyone is going to want to put Sram stuff on their bikes so in an effort to check compatibility I will be the unfortunate test guineau pig. Oh the things I have to do to make sure you the rider doesn't have any issues with their bikes. Its a sacrifice I suppose I have to make for the good of everyone hehehe. Oh and what looks like a smile is actually a grimace.Legends are around the corner and expect to hear from me soon if you are one of the people that is to get one.

27 comments:

Sneeck said...

I'm no shimano rider but the new saint group look's very sweet. Going to be a fun build I bet.

perttime said...

You cannot go wrong with Shimano cranks, anyway.
As for hubs, brakes, shifting ... that's a matter of taste.

Keith Scott said...

I'll think yu find that they actually sent the build kit to me... but I'll be play nice and share!

Jay MacNeil said...

keith you have to catch me first... preferably on the Shore cause i have a better chance of getting away.
heehehe

Keith Scott said...

I'll wait for you at the end of the trail! haha

Anonymous said...

Sounds like somebody is jealous! :o

Keith Scott said...

That somebody would be me! Yup, I was looking forward to building my legend up with the 09 saint kit which was meant to be delivered to me back in June, but alas, it didn't arrive in time. Oh well.

Anonymous said...

How many Legends have been produced in this run? Will they be polished and clear coated like the 2nd proto (love the look)? Please tell me that the bike will have a race proven shock included. What are the next steps in the Legend get ready for production? Will you still wait to get feedback from the 50 riders before going into full production, which will be when 2010?

stephanie said...

60 legends have be produced in this run as planned. 50 will be going out to riders, and the other 10 will have machine testing carried out on them to so where the design could be further improved and refined.

The only shock option that came with these frames was a cane creek double barrel, so yeah a race proven shock... one of the very best!

Next steps are to get feedback from the riders and to improve and refine the design to get the most from it, I'll be working on reducing weight while maintaining strength and stiffness, and also focusing on cost to keep it down as much as possible without sacrificing material quality or preformance.

The plan is to get the production legend ready for summer 2009, but this will totally depend on how these frames preform and how much work needs to be done to the design to get it 100% ready for production.

Dany said...

nice cranks!

Sneeck said...

Pleeeaaaaassseeeee post a few video's of the destruction test's if possible Keith. I like to see how your frame's are tested and to what forces they can withstand.

rob c said...

we've had the new Saint cranks in the shop for a couple weeks now...and I keep looking at the "old" saint cranks on my Rampant and going....hmmm

but the new SLX are real nice too, and about 1/2 the price, and more than strong enough (based on our experiences with Hone) for DJ and 4X riding

Anonymous said...

Full production in 2009! It would be nice to have some Canadian rippers testing the Legend. I guess the 50 frames are headed down south and South American for testing and feedback....that's too bad because Banshee was starting to gain some traction in Eastern Canada.

Keith Scott said...

there will be 12 canadian rippers testing this batch of legends across the country... well 11 and Jay.

Jay MacNeil said...

We Fired Keith... stephanie is taking over... she's smarter anyway hahahaha
Keith using his GFs google account... i was thinking wow this stephanie sure knows alot...

Nice last comment jackass hahaha. I have 2 medals that say I'm fast!

Anonymous said...

"there will be 12 canadian rippers testing this batch of legends across the country"

In Eastern Canada (Ontario and Quebec)and North Eastern USA, our DH mountains close after the Thanksgiving weekend. Doesn't Whistler close after Thanksgiving also? Where are these CDN rippers going to test the true DH capabilities of the bike if all the true DH trails are closed or covered with snow? Freeride testing and DH testing are different animals.

Keith Scott said...

Jay, you only have 2 medals because I wasn't there to win them! haha

Real racers will ride in all weather conditions where it is still possible to roll. There are winter race series as well as summer ones.

Anonymous said...

First, I want to go on record as being a huge supporter of Banshee and any other Canadian designed bikes, but IMHO Banshee has dropped the ball on the Legend’s testing.

Some of the World’s best terrain and DH tracks are in Banshee’s backyard, therefore, why would Banshee go off continent to get their first test riders (this is by no means a shot at our Brazilian and Columbian rippers)?

It’s now mid-October, and the Legends will more than likely not be in the hands of the Canadian riders till mid December, at which time they will be getting their skis and snow board’s waxed. Real racers also do other seasonal sports. Of the 12 CDN racers, how many do you think will be racing a winter series? I would hazard a guess that number would be 0 as a winter series involves a great deal of travel and expense for Canadians.

I know that the Canadian market for DH bikes is small, and Banshee must rely on exports to be successful, but just because you are located in Canada, does not mean automatic support from Canadian riders unless there is some form of reciprocal appreciation.

I know that this is a bit of a rant, but I would not have posted if I did not care about Canadian bike manufactures and the Canadian bike consumers. I always advocate buy Canadian.

Keith Scott said...

We wanted to have the first prototypes ridden by the best riders we could, and at that time the best riders we could get in terms of ability and knowledge were Markolf and Marcelo. I have no regrets about sending the protos to eithe of these guys as they have given me good feedback and tested the bike well under race condtions at some of the worlds most competative events.

I personally know a lot of racers who ride lots during the winter months, obviously it does depend on how much snow fall there is, but we have some dedicated riders who will be getting legends at the end of this month who I'm sure will ride them a lot across canada. That said we also have some great riders racing them all over the world including several riders trying for national DH teams in countries like Australia.

I didn't want these pre production bikes to go out before we knew they were rideable, and earlier prototypes had issues with pivots and component compatibility etc, so changes had to be made before production, then we missed out on a production slot which caused delays, but during this time I rode my legend in whistler for a month with Macelo, and Mick Hannah also recieved his Legend frame and started testing it. So the time hasn't been wasted.

It is obvious that you a passionate about Canadaian brands, and thats great! However, you have to understand that we have done our best to ring this frame out as quickly as possible. If we had the money that the big brands had, then it would be much easier to throw something out there, but we want to get it right first time. Good things come to those who wait.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Keith for the honest response. I have seen too many Canadian designers/manufactures forsake their domestic market to chase the bigger slice of the pie, but when foreign markets change and demand drops, the under developed domestic market cannot sustain the company.

Yes, I am passionate about Canadian companies and only wish them well as we all benefit from their success….. But when I see another small company like Turner (USA), exploit an opportunity to partner with Dave Weagle and take his proven DW Link technology and incorporate it into a brand new Turner DHR frame in what appears to be a matter of months, gives me concern about the development pace of the Legend.

Remember "Good things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle." - Abraham Lincoln

Best wishes to you lucky 11 Legend riders.

Keith Scott said...

Oh trust me, the Canadian market is very very important to us, we know that without it we would not exist today!

I suspect, and indeed hope for turners sake, that they have been developing that bike for more than a few months. It takes time to get a design right.

They also probably have a whole team of designers working on it, whereas banshee just has little old me!

Haha, good quote! Trust me, I have been hustling! Th smaller the company, the harder they have to hustle! any there are not many companies smaller than Banshee!

Anonymous said...

Thanks again Keith. You are one passionate designer. I will leave you with one last quote.

The only difference between "try" and "triumph" is a little "umph". ….and one thing is for sure, Banshee has the “umph”!!

Thanks for the blog exchange.

Anonymous said...

Wow, an intelligent conversation on a blog. Good for you Keith and "Canadian Supporter" for keeping it professional and on point. Keith, you should start a blog entry just dedicated to the Legend's progress.

Jay MacNeil said...

I think one of the differences too -and maybe right or wrong - is we have let people in on all stages of this bike right from the concept, through drawings, protos, and now where we are at this date.
It would seem that other bikes have a faster development curve but i would argue that it only "looks" that way because they keep their bikes and plans under wraps until a production bike is ready.
Whatever is the right or wrong way to do things it doesn't matter to me... I just want to share what we are working on cause i know people like to see it and its fun to share.

Karupshun said...

Did I miss the announcement that you guys signed Mick Hannah?

Nice!

Keith Scott said...

Mick has been test riding a legend for us for the last month or so. But he is not officially on our team. I believe he may have signed for another company who have a bit more money to throw around than we do unfortunately. But don't worry, we still have race team plans!

Anonymous said...

" But don't worry, we still have race team plans!"

Nice, World Cup plans or domestic teams?